Comments on: It’s the end of Vigneault as we know it (and I feel fine)

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By: valentin

valentin — Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:30:50 +0000

after all that, i’m glad we’re doing ok now.

By: george sawedoffsky

george sawedoffsky — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:10:35 +0000

The team is playing to fire the coach. Just like they did down the
stretch last year.
Fire him, or wave goodbye to the playoffs this year too.

By: Mike

Mike — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:45:06 +0000

Canuckfan – In all honesty, the last thing I am doing is looking at the past 7-10 games and making this argument. I have consistently – since last year if you want to look – said I think AV is the wrong guy for this team. He’s had three different Vancouver teams (though the first two were quite similar) and he’s got one good and one bad season under his belt. The lone difference was the first season where Luongo and the Sedins helped propel this team (a feat I’d argue they likely would have done no matter who was coach, short of Keenan). If Vigneault didn’t have Luongo, he’d have no Jack Adams and this team would be looking at the possibility of three years straight with no post season.

“We’ll make the playoffs. We’ll even make the second round.”

Yeah, I heard that last year. And when Crawford was coaching the WCE for that matter. Since when is the playoffs a sure bet for anyone, be it Tampa or Vancouver?

I’m not saying Vigneault is a bad coach. I am saying this team, which does have a great deal of talent, isn’t playing like a team that cares. There’s lots of blame to go around, but with all the changes from the back office to the ice in the last three years, the coach is the only piece left untouched. Several NHL coaches have lost their jobs for far less and it goes without saying (but I’ll say it anyway) that we know coaches in the NHL get a raw deal and don’t last long. Them’s the breaks.

They’ve played the most games of any team in the conference and are two points from being out of the top 8. No way this team makes the playoffs at this rate. And if/when they turn it around and begin fighting for every single point, remember January when they pissed away 14 of them.

By: Canuckfan

Canuckfan — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:41:19 +0000

I think you’re wrong about firing Vigneault. This team was fantastic in November, and was fantastic in the second half of 06-07. They’ve been terrible since Christmas, and were terrible in the second half of 07-08. Same coach the whole time. I just don’t buy the argument that it’s the coach’s fault.

I think there’s three kinds of hockey teams: the great, the awful, and everyone else. This year it’s Detroit and San Jose and Boston that are great, Ottawa and Tampa that are awful. Everyone else is streaky: they have good runs, and bad runs. Vancouver just happens to be on a bad run. It’ll turn around–this team actually IS too talented to play like this for the rest of the season.

Part of the problem with sports analysis (and part of the problem with economic analysis, for that matter) is that it’s too easy for people to draw straight line projections from what’s happening RIGHT NOW.

“Vancouver housing market going up right now? Then it will always go up!”
“Stock market going down right now? Omigod it’s the Great Depression!”

I think Canuck nation should take a collective deep breath. This team is going to be fine. We’ll make the playoffs. We’ll even make the second round. Sooner or later, talent will win out. We’re fine.

In short: don’t just do something… stand there!

By: Mike

Mike — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:34:21 +0000

philb – ironcially, fearthefin.com predicted the last vancouver/san jose game to be like 18,486 – 0. Wasn’t terribly far off.

Zandberg – If Gillis is really patient, I’d imagine they’ll let him slide through San Jose. If they tank the next two, that’s six straight games. He’d have to be a dead man walking after that.

By: Zandberg

Zandberg — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:56:44 +0000

Option 3 is the right answer indeed. I haven’t seen their confidence this low since the end of last season. I think that if they beat Columbus in Sunday they’ll be alright. If they don’t: bye-bye AV.

By: philb

philb — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:28:52 +0000

being a canuck fan living in alberta, i was watching the flames v sharks last night. i flipped over to nhl tv now and then trying to catch a live look-in of the canucks and the contrast between those two games was unbelievable. i couldn’t help but think that the next time vancouver plays a good team they’ll lose a million to nothing

By: Mike

Mike — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:53:14 +0000

Laker – I hear ya. It’s not like these are all bad bounce losses. The team isn’t even there. When the break down is as obvious as they’re flubbing passes in their own zone, falling down in the neutral zone and disappearing in their zone, who do you blame for that?

I’m no expert either but I think it starts at the coaching level. This team has the talent, it just needs the direction.

By: Laker

Laker — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:10:01 +0000

It’s odd. Last night Nucks d-men were tripping over their own feet, losing their sticks struggling to handle the puck. A loss, or even 5, I can deal with if it’s hard fought good hockey.

What happened the last few games was not good hockey.

IMHO good offense starts from the defence. The Canucks defence lately have been handling the puck like a hot potato. Passing laterally lots, passing back lots. This makes it hard for the forwards to generate speed and flow. But….of course….I’m no expert.